Rumi Scoiattolo 1955 - New project!!!!!!!

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Re: Rumi Scoiattolo 1955 - New project!!!!!!!

Post by hugomez » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:02 pm

:D :D :D

I found the problem!!!
At least the problem for which I could not get spark at the right side cylinder. It was a very stupid reason. One of this pieces at the end of one cable attached to the rotor plate was attached in place, but the cable inside was disconnected. I've installed a new one, but this time with a drop of tin before compressing the blue plastic area.

Unfortunately I don't know when I will have time to test the scooter, busy time at work lately, but looking forward to test it.

More soon.
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Post by hugomez » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:21 pm

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is alive!!!!!!

I have been at work all day thinking of giving a try today, even if is not the most convenient moment for me, but I had a good feeling.

Well, after around 15 meters push, it started!!!!

I can not be more happy right now.

I did the test inside the community indoor parking at the ground floor, so not much space to ride properly, so I have only be able to engage until 2nd gear, but the overall feeling is good.

As soon as I can I will give a proper test ride around the building.

At the next link you can watch a short video of the moment :D
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(For some reason is not possible to embed Youtube videos in the forum anymore, I have to investigate why that is happening)

:D :D
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Re: Rumi Scoiattolo 1955 - New project!!!!!!!

Post by Lars » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:15 pm

Sounds good, looks good! No smoke. And everything seems to work.
Quite an accomplishment. Congratulations again, Hugo!
We are all happy for you, and with you!

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Post by greasy-fingers » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:58 pm

Great news to see it going :D

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Post by hugomez » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:27 pm

Thanks Lars and Graham, it is a great relieve to finally listen it.
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Post by Rumi's » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:06 pm

Congratulations Hugo!
A new rumi, is "beating" in the world !!!
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Post by hugomez » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:43 pm

Rumi´s wrote:Congratulations Hugo!
A new rumi, is "beating" in the world !!!
Regards,

Juan Nizio
from Argentina
Thank you Juan!!!! :D
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Post by RF125 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:26 pm

Congratulations Hugo! Beautiful Scooter!!!, you have done an excellent job, always you do.

I have a question, do you know why some Scoiatollos, have another silencers like mine?


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Post by hugomez » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:34 pm

Hi Claudio,

Thanks you :)

About your question, the only thing I can say is that the exhaust that my Scoiattolo has before the restoration were exactly as the once you have in yours, with the tip curved.

If I remember correctly, I think I was told those were original.

Unfortunately they were in terrible state, so I could not restore them.

Maybe somebody else can confirm or correct me.

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Post by RF125 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:18 pm

Ok Hugo, surely our friend Rudolf will can clarify this …

Besides the silencers, was there any other difference?


Thank you in advance..

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Post by hugomez » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:49 pm

Hola Claudio,

Beside the exhaust the only other parts that I recall right now that are not original, are the rear shock absorber, but the once I bought are the correct length and wide. If you see photos of the process you can see that I had to modify them a little bit at the areas where attach to the body of the scooter and to the swing-arm, but they look great and perform also great.

The rear rack (that is still in the process to be chrome), is also not original, but I like it much more that the big original one that I had in the scooter when I purchased it.

The "leather" bags behind the leg shield were made from scratch by an artisan, so not original from factory, but they made a great job, using one of my original bags as template. They are just exactly the same, but completely brand new.

The screws. I have made all them black. Some of them are correct as black, but some others should not be black, however I like it very much, so that would be another different.

The carburetor and filter is not bare metal anymore, because I painted with silver (2K) paint to make them look as new as possible.

At the engine many new parts have been replace. Bearings, crankshaft, pistons, etc.

Brand new rims, brand new spokes, new seat upholstery in Italy, new CEV switch, new wiring, new CEV rear light, new front headlight CEV rim, new chain, new sprockets, and a long etc. Everything is documented here with photos since the beginning of the restoration. :D

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Post by Montesa » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:01 pm

Great looking Scoiattolo, Hugo. Sounds the part as well. Spring time can't come soon enough!

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Post by RF125 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:55 pm

hugomez wrote:Hola Claudio,

Beside the exhaust the only ....
Greets,
Hugo

Hi Hugo, sorry, maybe I was not clear. I was not talking about your motorcycle, which in fact is beautiful and totally original, maybe one of the most beautiful what i saw, I was talking about all the Scoiatollos, because, I've seen pictures with curved pipes and without them, with basg on the footrest and without them, etc. Therefore I ask, if it is different models depending on the country in which they were sold, or if they are simply accessories that were placed by their respective owners.

Regards;

Claudio

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Post by hugomez » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:31 pm

Montesa wrote:Great looking Scoiattolo, Hugo. Sounds the part as well. Spring time can't come soon enough!
Thank you very much Adam!! You are totally right, summer just finished and already looking forward for next Spring season. :D
RF125 wrote: Hi Hugo, sorry, maybe I was not clear. .......
:lol: Claudio, I definitely misunderstood your question.
Sorry, I do not have answers to those questions, hopefully other members of the forum with more knowledges can clarify them. I am also curious about it.

I've also a question to ask here. In the Formichino is easy to check the oil level with a "trick" that Eddie Jackson show me years ago, that consist in introducing a stick in certain angle throughout the filling hole at the top of the crankcase the first time you fill it with one litre of oil. Then you make a mark on that stick, and keep it to use anytime you want to measure the oil level.
I made one stick with the correct mark years ago, and I always use it. HOWEVER this "trick" doesn't work for the Scoiattolo, because the filling hole is on the side of the crankcase (Ignition side). How you do measure the oil level after sometime riding the scooter?

Looking at the Scoiattolo maintenance manual (in Italian) that we have at the download section, we can read the next:
"The check of the oil level in the engine is carried out by means of the special warning light (n.2) on the right side of the engine casing." (Translated by google translator)

For sure there is no warning light there, but neither a hole with a glass or anything like that. Am I right or perhaps I am missing something?

You can download that manual in the next link: https://www.formichino.com/forum/viewto ... f=23&t=314
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Claudio, looking at that manual I noticed one detail, the tip of the exhaust that appear on those photos is not curved, as I had in my Scoiattolo when I got it, and as you have in yours. I do not think this is a strong reason to think that from factory was not coming with the curved tip, because they could just change that detail after the manual was done, but just mentioning because I just saw it and took my attention.
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Post by RF125 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:42 pm

Hugo, The oil level is measured as in all Rumi engines in the hole in the right side cover. In the manual, where it says "sul lato destro" means "on the right side", for that reason it is drawn with dotted lines. I hope have clarified your doubt.

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Post by hugomez » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:49 pm

RF125 wrote:Hugo, The oil level is measured as in all Rumi engines in the hole in the right side cover. In the manual, where it says "sul lato destro" means "on the right side", for that reason it is drawn with dotted lines. I hope have clarified your doubt.
:lol: Now I see it. It was confusing to see that the drawing show the left side, but I didn't pay attention to the actual text that say "the right side", so the opposite as the one at the drawing.
The truth is that I never check the oil by the hole at the right side, I always do it with the "homemade stick" as explained earlier.
I see that in the Scoiattolo I will have to use the "official way" that as mentioned, I never did that way.

Thanks Claudio for clarifying it ;)
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Post by RF125 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:50 pm

hugomez wrote:
Claudio, looking at that manual I noticed one detail, the tip of the exhaust that appear on those photos is not curved, as I had in my Scoiattolo when I got it, and as you have in yours. I do not think this is a strong reason to think that from factory was not coming with the curved tip, because they could just change that detail after the manual was done, but just mentioning because I just saw it and took my attention.
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For this reason, i asked about the differences in different pictures that i saw ... and i have another difference, the mutes of my silencers are also different, as in the picture...
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Post by hugomez » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:00 pm

That is curious. Let see what others say about it.
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Post by greasy-fingers » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:00 am

regarding the silencers, my early "3 gear / non rear damper type" scoiatollo still has its original silencers with the manufacturers "spring" stamp on them - the exhaust outlet pipes are straight. my other 3 scoiatollo are the later "4 gear / with rear damper type" 2 have straight exhaust outlet pipes and the other one has the bent type exhaust outlet pipes, the one with the bent pipes has the biggest/newest chassis number, of course exhausts could have been replaced on any of these machines during their lives, but I am confident that the ones on the early 3 gear machine are original for this particular machine.

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Post by hugomez » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:04 pm

Hi Graham,

Thanks for sharing your experience with your Scoiattolos. It is possible that all of them are original?, I understand that the once with the "spring"stamp on it are for sure original, but at the same time, is possible that the factory change the type of exhaust while they also change other things at the scooter in newer versions of it.

I can not confirm it, but I looking at the state of the scooter when I bought it, and looking at the exhaust, I would say those are the once I have been always in the scooter. As mentioned, I can not confirm that (maybe somebody else can), but I would say that maybe in latest model they started to add the exhaust with the curved tip.

Let see if somebody have more information about this subject.

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Post by greasy-fingers » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:25 pm

hugo , yes the only machines I had with "spring" silencers where from 1952 or before. I also have later rumi,s with what I believe to be original silencers without the "spring" emblem. it is normal for manufacturers to change supplier during production, with rumi,s we see electrical parts from dansi /nassetti / ducati for instance.

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Post by RF125 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:33 pm

I didn't know that originals rumi silencers had the "spring" stamp, i did know, as rumi original silencer, those whos have the "APP IGM" stamp.
I bought a few years ago, a replica in italy with de "Spring" stamp, and my Junior, and my scoiatollo have its originals silencers with the "APP IGM" stamp.

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Post by RUMISTI » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:38 am

Graham wrote correctly that the curved end pieces were only from 1955 mounted on the Scoiattolo. An explanation to protect the tire from heat and oil ??
The term "IGM" is the register for vehicle parts in Italy, and it is also true that RUMI has purchased the silencers from various manufacturers.
Even 60 years later, there are still many question marks at RUMI.
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Post by RF125 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 pm

Thanks Rudolf! Now it's clarified. Then the curved pipes was for the 1955 model. The other question is, all the models came with footrest bags?? or only the 1955 model?

I know the app igm was the register for the vehicles parts, and we can found this in the front light ring too, to quote some more.

Now, i did learn s that Rumi mufflers could be "Spring" too.. and this explain to me, why the silencer i bought in italy have this stamp.


Thanks to all...

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Post by RUMISTI » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:31 pm

Hi Claudio,
the bags, and also the carrier for the luggage, were accessories that were not equipped by the factory in Bergamo, I know about 4 different models, also that of Hugo is an accessory.
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Post by RF125 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:27 pm

Thanks Rudolf! It is not my intention to contradict you, you are the bible of the Rumis for me, but I see vintage catalogs, and I notice that in the first models with the thin front fork, it was not equipped with the bags, but the latest models, with the other front fork type, it was equipped with the bags. :?: :?:

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